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The Myth of Church and State

Original entry posted: Mon Oct 2 19:27:10 2006

Brinstar @ Mon Oct 2 13:14:56 2006 EST

Did being exorcised of a demon feel like being slammed into a wall?

Thomas @ Mon Oct 2 13:49:45 2006 EST

Pretty much. I suggest protective headgear for prospective exorcisees.

Honestly, I probably should have been ready for that part. My grandparents were in a Pentecostal church. But they were more fall-down-as-the-spirit-enters people and less smite-the-unbeliever.

Troy Goodfellow @ Mon Oct 2 14:14:08 2006 EST

I had a summer job landscaping at a local Pentecostal Church. I can say that I have dug ditches - literally.

Anyway, there was a nice youth group coming through town and they stayed with local families while doing church stuff at the church. I went in for a break and heard the most peculiar sound. It was like a bunch of people turkey gobbling but in some odd Balkan language by way of Babelfish. Over this noise, I heard someone translating, but I'm not sure for whom.

This is the only time I have heard speaking in tongues and the creepiness I felt at the time was either caused from being in the presence of something too holy for me to understand or from it just being really creepy.

Josh @ Mon Oct 2 14:15:56 2006 EST

Yeah, I was hearing about that bill on NPR. It essentially takes us one closer to a theocracy because it removes the only financial protection someone wanting to raise a ChurchvState issue in court away.

Someone challenging that kind of thing is usually not going to make any money, is giving a up a significant portion of their time and is quite likely antagonizing those around them.

So now - you get ALL that and it will cost you an arm or a leg or both. So the separation would now have to be placed on the backs on pro bono lawyers.

The counterargument is "well, we didn't like to be threatened with legal fees." Which is of course essentially a guilty plea because they're assuming they'd have to pay the fees when they lost the case.

It's pretty much the spineless crap I would expect from the far religious right in this country. We have lots of conviction - but we need the law to enforce our faith and nobody should be allowed to challenge it.

The hyprocisy that these people find the Taliban to be zealots is mythical.


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Sorry. Bad mood Monday. Carry on.

Thomas @ Mon Oct 2 14:23:27 2006 EST

No need to apologize.

I'm hoping it'll be challenged and overturned quickly. I'm not optimistic, but there's hope.

To me, this law isn't just about the theocracy. It also encapsulates the principle of "justice is yours--if you've got the cash." I've always figured that was a basic principle of most conservative thinkers, but I never thought that the GOP would be that blatant about it.

But hey: at least we're not torturing people. Right? Right?

Troy Goodfellow @ Mon Oct 2 15:27:10 2006 EST

26 Democrats voted in favorite of the bill, and not all from the Deep South.

The bill itself refers to veterans memorials and public buildings with religious artwork, but ominously also says that the law isn't necessarily limited to those instances.

I think it will fail in the Senate, though.

Josh @ Mon Oct 2 17:47:10 2006 EST

I don't see why it can't straddle both the theocratic elements in the US and the "money is good" elements.

Many are of the same demographic.

And I know I sound wacky saying "theocracy" anyway - but when a State Representative supports a law that make co-habitation between two unmarried people illegal because ... well, that's how God would want it ... I don't see any other word for it. Lots of people out there can't understand why their Faith is back by the Law.

And no torture - just extreme interrogation. Guess it's not theocracy, actually. It's just faith-based government.



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